Fury in Death - DISCUSSION - SPOILERS

Hi Everyone!

I’m starting this thread so that everyone can have a discussion about “Fury in Death”

PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT I WILL BE ALLOWING SPOILERS IN THIS DISCUSSION.

Have you read it yet? What did you think?

Just about finished. I really love the book! It’s a great case, great side story about the housewarming party, love Eve and Roarke’s interactions, overall, a really satisfying story!

Also… a LONG time ago, after having watched “The Mandalorian,” we decided that at some point Nora needed to put the quote: “This is the way” into one of her books and she finally did!! :grinning_face: Not in exactly the way I would have wanted, but I’ll take it! :joy:

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Also: Eve, stop being dumb and let them call Roarke.

:joy: :tired_face:

I absolutely loved it.

Things that really stood out for me:

I felt that Nora really tackled in this one just why Eve and Roarke complement each other so very well, and why together they’re such an amazing team. I mean, she does this in every book, but in this one it was integrated into the theme of the story. The conversation they had early in the book where Eve asks Roarke if it bothers him that she doesn’t take an interest in his businesses the way he does in cop work set-up the later conversation where she indicates she does understand enough of what he does to be proud of him for not using his power to screw over the little man. All of which highlights how they sort of tag-team their world/people saving: she finds and exposes corruption and he then sweeps in and fixes it. They work together in tangent.

Galahad, of course, was amazing. I mean, he’s a little snitch, but for Very Sympathetic Reasons, lol. Someone has to save his preferred human from herself. :joy:

Eve’s character growth from Naked to Fury is just extraordinary. Yes, she’s still very much frustrating when it comes to receiving proper medical care, but she didn’t put up too much of a fight with Summerset when he insisted on it, and didn’t put up a fight at all with Mira. And she thanked them both. Our girl is all grown up. :face_holding_back_tears: And yeah, I joke but I really did get the sense, in this one, that’s she’s way more willing to believe, now, that she is loved than she was before. She went from a point early on in the series where the only parts of herself she really liked were her skills as a cop/investigator to now, where she’s more open to the fact that her found family really cares for her and wants her around and thriving.

Also, both of the things Tibble and Whitney pointed out she needed to work on way back in Purity: re: her handling of the press and her ability to see more of a gray area in cop work, have been addressed in the past two books. In Stolen both Nadine and Roarke complimented her on her handling of the press (Nadine did it again in Fury as well) and in Fury Eve saw enough of the gray to not only sympathize with Redman, but also work desperately to save him. This and a few other factors (like her coming home injured or covered in blood is escalating and so are Roarke and now Summerset’s reactions) kinda makes me feel that Nora is hinting that Eve is closer to accepting the bars than she was back in Thankless. Or that the series is reaching a turning point.

Lastly, what really worked for me… Roarke and the boiling of water! LMAO! :joy:

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“Someone has to boil the water, I’m sure of it”
– Roarke

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I agree with all of what you said, @Deede .

This was such a great book to show Eve’s character growth. Even though Nora denies it, we have said before that we feel like recent books have felt more and more like Eve feeling like she needs to maybe slow down, if not for her own sake, but for Roarke’s.

AJ

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I finished last night. I found the case interesting but it is the personal relationships and growing chosen family that shows how much has changed. Did anyone else notice the similarities between this company and the Icoves?

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@admin Right?! A part of me keeps wondering if I’m reaching, but then a new book comes out and just supports that direction further. And there are other, smaller, clues that sort of support this conclusion as well? (admittedly I could definitely be reaching on some of these simply because it supports the theory and I’m probably biased now, lol) but Roarke asking Eve to teach at An Didean over twenty books ago then seemingly dropping it, but then Dorian from Desperation gets name-dropped again in Stolen. Taking the bars would ostensibly (although maybe not, knowing Eve, lol) free up some of her time for other pursuits, like teaching. A lot of other loose threads are now tied up: the great house project, Magdelena, number 2, etc. so why not that one? And it’s not just that Roarke’s reactions to Eve being injured that are escalating, more telling is that so is Eve’s guilt. Then there’s Whitney, he first hinted that he, eventually, wants Eve in his chair (when he’s ready to vacate it) way back in Ceremony, and brought it up again in Treachery, and he keeps insisting on joining the ops (much to Eve’s chagrin, lol) going as far as to place himself with Eve and Roarke entering Potter’s house in Bonded. I mean we can chalk it up to him reliving his glory days, courting some excitement, but a part of it could also be to show Eve she can still have some fun at a higher rank when she wants, if the case calls for it. I just have the impression he’s been slowly, subtly mentoring her into the direction of his successor for the entirety of the series. It was pretty heartwarming how quickly Tibble and Whitney jumped to her defense in Fury and how Whitney was pissed off on her behalf. They’re like ‘so we got this complaint about you and into the trash bin it immediately went, go about your business. Oh, and btw, the mayor sends his love. Tell Roarke we said hi.’

@Peggy_Gross it was similar to Icove! But I have a feeling, based solely on the book synopsis and perhaps the cover art, so basically I have very little supporting evidence of this, lol, that Perfect will be moreso. The synopsis sort of gave Frankenstein vibes and the cover says Captain America. I think we’re definitely in for a sci-fi adjacent book next round, too.

Question: What do you think about the ending here? There are a lot of people who have complained about killers not getting “justice” at the end of a book. Do you think that justice was served for everyone? Even the families of those who were murdered? Thoughts?

IMHO, both the Icoves and this company take science and step over the line ethically.

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The families of the 300+ people who died in the apartment building finally got justice after 13 years, so there’s that. It wasn’t just Redman’s wife, toddler and unborn daughter who died that night. But if they’re referring specifically to the families of the small handful of people Redman killed not getting justice, eh, what Redman did isn’t far removed from what Roarke, himself, did to Marlena’s murderers. And they both did it for the same reason: justice wasn’t served by the law. Banner-Wyst had politicians in their pockets just like Marlena’s murderers had the Irish cops in their pockets. In both cases, for Redman and Roarke, the only way they could get justice was by taking it into their own hands. Is vigilante justice the wrong way to go? Sure, Eve points that out herself. Redman should have ‘looked for the helpers’, to coin a phrase. But here’s the thing, Feeney is a good cop, and even he didn’t cotton on to the fact that the apartment explosion wasn’t an accident. And Banner-Wyst apparently not only had senators, but also Supreme Court justices in their pockets, so I could easily see why Redman went the route he did. Why he felt he had no other choice. After all Banner-Wyst tried to go after Eve when she started sniffing around and getting too close to it, but Eve had the full support of the mayor, the chief and the commander (the latter of whom was angry on her behalf by the sheer nerve of them for even trying to go after her. Whitney’s protective streak when it comes to Eve remains unmatched, I love it) so that helped a great deal. But the chief before Tibble was Simpson (from Naked) and I’m going to go out on a wild limb here and assume that if that dude was still the chief instead of Tibble, he would have eagerly thrown Eve to the wolves in this situation just like he tried to do back then, so you could have good cops, like Feeney and Eve, but their ability to do good is often contingent on those above even them, so, well, it’s understandable why vigilante justice would appeal. I’m certainly not shedding a tear for Chu, Dent, Cruz or Wyst. Blowing up a building filled with 300+ people was bad enough, but they were also building bio weapons to kill even more. Redman actually did humanity a solid.

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What are some of everyone’s favorite quotes from the book? One of mine is:

“Where’s the Ghoul of Roarke Manor?”

“Adorable. As it’s near to ten, I expect he’s in his quarters.”

Robb, J. D.. Fury in Death (p. 36). (Function). Kindle Edition.

What are yours?

I don’t know if justice was served. I would like to know what the families of the ones thought about the horrible things their loved ones did. Not only to their friend and colleague but to thousands of people. It’s just disgraceful. I think death was an easy out. It was brutal but I wanted them to suffer in a cage. I know that sounds quite harsh. But you asked. lol.

I loved Fury In Death. I agree with most of the other reviews. It had a great sci fi appeal, family and togetherness, growth and just a great read or should I say listen. St Susan was amazing as always. I just love her. For me, she makes the books so alive and the emotional charge I get from listening is so satisfying. I am so excited for what is next.

“These guys have their thumbs in a lot of pies.”

“It’s usually fingers in pies.” Looking up, she frowned.

“I thought you stick in your thumb.”

“If you’re Little Jack Horner, but otherwise, fingers.”

“Little Jack Horner is not, at this time, a suspect.”

Kindle Edition, Chapter 3, page 42